said he's going to balance the budget in seven to ten years while doing tax reform, while increasing defense spending, not touching medicare. i mean there's a lot of things that don't add up but because romney has not given the details doesn't give the president the right to make them up for him. i mean, he is not going to have a $5 trillion net tax cut. >> absolutely good at details -- >> that's not his plan. >> but i think to say there's a $5 trillion tax cut to be offset by mystery meat. you know, that's a correct statement. >> or -- >> there's a $5 trillion tax cut, well, but we don't know what it is he's going to do but what he proposed is a $5 trillion tax cut plus he says, trust me, i'll do something he different. that's not a very good -- >> yes. what can be more legitimate than saying you're proposing $5 trillion in a reduction in revenue. how are you going to pay for this, and he says i'm not going to tell you, i'll just let the congress do it. so you say, no, these are the things you have to get rid of. get rid of t child deduction or home mortgage deduction. >> and we're going to